ON
THURSDAY, JANUARY 10, 2008, THE VERSAILLES-MIDWAY-WOODFORD COUNTY PLANNING AND
ZONING COMMISSION HELD THEIR SCHEDULED MEETING IN THE 2ND FLOOR
COURTROOM OF THE WOODFORD COUNTY COURTHOUSE AT 6:30 P.M.
OATH OF OFFICE: Mr. Butler
administered the Oath of Office to re-appointed member Carl Ellis, with his
acceptance.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Robert
Blankenship, Jim Boggs, Carl Ellis, Joel Evans, Jim Hume, Ed McClees, Tim
Parrott, Chad Wells, J.D. Wolf.
ELECTION OF OFFICERS: A motion was made by Mr. Blankenship, as
seconded by Mr. McClees, to nominate Carl Ellis as Chairman for 2008. The motion carried with seven (7) aye votes,
with there being no more nominations.
VOTING IN FAVOR: Robert
Blankenship, Jim Boggs, Carl Ellis, Joel Evans, Ed McClees,
A motion was made by Mr. McClees to
nominate Robert Blankenship as Vice Chairman for 2008. The motion carried with seven (7) aye votes
with there being no more nominations.
VOTING IN FAVOR: Robert
Blankenship, Jim Boggs, Carl Ellis, Joel Evans, Ed McClees,
A motion as made by Mr. Blankenship, as
seconded by Mr. Evans, to nominate Jim Hume for Secretary for 2008. The motion carried with seven (7) aye votes,
with there being no more nominations.
VOTING IN FAVOR: Robert
Blankenship, Jim Boggs, Carl Ellis, Joel Evans, Ed McClees,
MINUTES:
A motion was made by Mr. Blankenship, as seconded by Mr. Wolf, to
approve the
ANNOUNCEMENTS: Chairman Ellis
announced that Troop 14 and Troop 1784 of the Boy Scouts are present to observe
the meeting. The groups are working on
their Citizenship and Community Badges.
Chairman Ellis welcomed the Scouts and their leaders to the meeting.
Chairman
Ellis stated that Item #5 for
Consolidation
and Minor Amended Plat
Mrs.
Wilson stated that a zone change and the Final plat were approved
previously. When they asked for this
approval they included 4% in open space, which is on the north side of
(Mr.
Parrott arrived at the meeting at this time.)
Mr.
Evans questioned if they are building a house on
Mr.
Butler stated that he agrees that with 80% residual farmland, the 4% open space
requirement probably should not apply, but Mrs. Wilson said it was not exempted
out. He suggested that the Planning
Commission have a hearing to amend the Zoning Ordinance to take that out, so
that it will not apply to Rural Residential.
Mr.
Blankenship questioned if they will be setting a precedent by allowing the
waiver? Mr. Butler stated that they
will, but the justification should be only for Rural Residential not the other
zoning districts. It just needs to be
exempted out of Rural Residential.
Mr.
Boggs questioned if only one home can be built, if this waiver is allowed? Mrs. Wilson stated that is correct. In a Rural Residential cluster you cannot
build a structure within 150 of a property owner other than the original
applicant. That front field is a
different property owner.
A motion was made by Mr. Wolf, as
seconded by Mr. Boggs, to approve the Consolidation and Minor Amended Plat for
Aachen Estates 134 & 138 Aachen Way Rural Residential and to grant the
waiver for the 4% open space since the property is surrounded by Rural
Residential/Residual farmland. The motion
carried with eight (8) aye votes. VOTING
IN FAVOR: Robert Blankenship, Jim Boggs,
Carl Ellis, Joel Evans, Ed McClees, Tim Parrott,
1st
Amended Final Development Plan Midway Fuel Properties LLC US 421, Leestown
Road Midway R-1B & B-5 Districts.
Mr.
Blankenship stated that he has a conflict of interest on this one. While he is not working for the current owner
of the
property, his company is working for the former owner cleaning the site
up. He did not feel comfortable
participating in the discussion or the vote on this matter. Mr. Blankenship removed himself from the
hearing.
Mrs.
Wilson stated that the Planning Commission looked at this property about a year
ago. It had been zoned residential for many years, but historically used for
commercial purposes. At that time they
did not know what the future plans and layout of the property was going to
be. Mr. Thompson has filed a final
development plan only for the east side of the property where the current Citgo
Station is located. They are proposing
to tear down the small A-Frame office building and build a more rectangular
building. They will add organized
designated parking spaces so customers will know where to park. It was reviewed by the TRC and all the
deficiencies have been addressed.
Mr.
Boggs questioned if it will remain a service station? Mrs. Wilson stated that it will be only a
fueling station.
Mr.
McClees questioned if there are any EPA concerns regarding contamination of
soils due to the fueling tanks, since it has been there so long. Mrs. Wilson stated that the soil issues are
only on the west side of the property next to Winter Street where the Midway
Auto Shop has been. If there were a
problem it would be between the owner and the EPA, not the Planning
Commission.
A motion was made by Mr. Wells, as
seconded by Mr. Wolf, that the 1st Amended Final Development Plan
Midway Fuel Properties LLC US 421, Leestown Road Midway R-1B & B-5
Districts be approved. The motion
carried with eight (8) aye votes.
VOTING IN FAVOR: Robert
Blankenship, Jim Boggs, Carl Ellis, Joel Evans, Ed McClees, Tim Parrott,
Final
Development Plan Mortonsville Wings of
Mrs.
Wilson stated that there was a fire that burned the church down, which had been
there for many years. At this point they
are ready to reconstruct the church. The
Zoning Ordinance requires that the Planning Commission approve development
plans for churches. They will have their
parking on the left side and they will have very little additional pavement
from what was already there. The TRC
reviewed this and all the deficiencies have been addressed.
A motion was made by Mr. Wolf, as
seconded by Mr. McClees, to approve the Final Development Plan Mortonsville
Wings of Refuge Community Church 1030 & 1060 Delaneys Ferry Rd R-2
& R-1B Districts. The motion carried
with eight (8) aye votes. VOTING IN
FAVOR: Robert Blankenship, Jim Boggs,
Carl Ellis, Joel Evans, Ed McClees, Tim Parrott,
3rd Amended Final Development Plan Prism
Holdings
Mrs.
Wilson stated that this property is where the Rainbow Station was located. The owners would like to re-develop the
property now. They are proposing a
10,000 square foot building with associated parking and a drive-thru
facility. The wide open curb cut that
has been there for years will now be changed to have two specific access points
with landscaping between them. They have
submitted their encroachment permit application to the State. Mrs. Wilson stated that she has been
communicating with Kelly Baker, who is the permitting engineer. He said that they are thrilled to have two
managed entrances at this location. The
next step will be for them to submit a bond and the encroachment permits will
be issued. All the other TRC
deficiencies have been addressed.
Mr.
McClees questioned if we have the encroachment permit? Mrs. Wilson stated that we do not have it in
hand yet, but a grading permit will not be issued until we have it.
Mr.
Wolf questioned if this is the Rainbow property? Mrs. Wilson stated that it is and the one
next door was a zone change that Mr. Wagoner presented. This is a kind of continuation of that. They are carrying forward with the same type
of fencing and landscaping theme and signage theme all the way up to the
corner.
Mr.
McClees questioned if they will be allowed to do site work without the
encroachment permit? Mrs. Wilson stated
that they will not. They will not be
able to obtain a grading permit until that is in hand.
Mr.
Butler stated that any motion made should include that it is subject to getting
the final encroachment permit.
Mr.
Jihad Hallany spoke on behalf of the project.
He submitted a rendering of the site and the layout they are
proposing. Mr. Hallany stated that the
purpose of the amendment is that basically a few months ago there was a zone
change that came to the board and was approved and they want this to be a continuation
of that project by using the same monumentation and signs, the same fence and
landscaping. Also they want to limit the
access into the property so that it will be more controlled. There will be an immediate entrance from
Mrs.
Wilson stated that the Highway Dept. typically does not allow trees in the
right of way within 30 of the edge of pavement; however, she has been talking
with them and asked if they would re-evaluate that. They are going to have their agronomist look
into that, so there may be additional street trees added on to the
Mr.
Blankenship questioned what type of traffic control device would be installed
to force traffic at the east entrance to go towards town instead of trying to
come across? Mr. Hallany stated that
they will have an island in the middle, as well as signage. Mr. Evans stated that they will still try to
come across there. Chairman Ellis stated
that if there is an island there it would make it difficult to do. Mrs. Wilson stated that is part of their
application to the State.
Mr.
Hume questioned if it would be better to have a one way in and a one way
out? Mr. Blankenship questioned if they
have done a traffic study to see if it were an in only if it would be
better? Mr. Hallany stated that they
have not done a traffic study, but they have discussed this with Kelly Baker
and he feels that what they are proposing is a major improvement from what has
been there. Mr. Hume questioned if there
could be some reconsideration of no right on red at the light, as it once
was. Mrs. Wilson stated that is
completely up to the State.
Mr.
Evans questioned if they approved the one next door where
Mr.
Boggs questioned if they can make it contingent on showing an island? Mrs. Wilson stated that they are already
showing that. Mr. Evans pointed out that
is shown on the rendering, but not on the plan that they are looking at. Mrs. Wilson stated that is correct, they
should make it contingent on that.
Mr.
Hume questioned if they would rather have the island or the one way in and one
way out? Mr. Boggs stated that he agrees
the one way would be better.
Mr.
Jon Gay, owner of the property, stated that he feels the island as they are
showing it, is fine. They have been
going over this with the Highway Department and they are making a tremendous
improvement from what has always been there.
It could be possible that they make it a one way in, but he did not want
to commit to that when they are still in negotiations with users to locate
there. Mr. Hume questioned if they would
discuss putting that no right on red back at the intersection? Mr. Gay stated that he would not mind
bringing it up, but that is up to the Highway Department and it should not be
made a condition on their property. Mr.
Hume agreed.
Mr.
Evans questioned if there are many wrecks there? Chairman Ellis stated that there were several
when Rainbow was there. Mr. Wolf stated that the majority of the
wrecks he has known about have been in front of Woodford Feed.
Mrs.
Wilson stated that she had one other question regarding the rendering they
passed out. At one time there were some
dreams about doing some sort of a gateway entrance on the corner. She questioned if they have allowed room for
that to still occur? Mr. Gay stated that
they have. There is plenty of room to do
that. The conversation has been that
they would donate that land if there was enough people
who wanted to contribute to putting in a fountain and a Welcome to
A motion was made by Mr. Hume, as
seconded by Mr. Wolf, to approve the 3rd Amended Final Development
Plan Prism Holdings
Minor Amended Plat
Mrs.
Wilson stated that this is a final plat for
A motion was made by Mr. Wolf, as
seconded by Mr. Evans, to approve the Minor Amended Plat Rose Ridge, Unit 2A
(right of way only) R-1B District, with the bond amount being set at
$41,441.00. The motion carried with nine
(9) aye votes. VOTING
IN FAVOR: Robert Blankenship, Jim Boggs,
Carl Ellis, Joel Evans, Jim Hume, Ed McClees, Tim Parrott,
FINANCIAL REPORT AND BILLS
The
report was accepted administratively.
MONTHLY BUDGET REPORT
The
report was accepted administratively.
REPORT TO COMMISSION
The
report was accepted administratively.
SURETY REPORT
Mrs.
Wilson stated that she has a request to release a CD for Adena Woods, Unit 1
for $50,338.00. Thirty three of the
thirty four lots have obtained COs.
This was before you several months ago for a reduction for only the
street trees and the Planning Commission did not recommend that. At this time the street trees have been
installed so they are now requesting a complete release. Mr. Smith has written a letter making that
recommendation.
A motion was made by Mr. Wolf, as
seconded by Mr. McClees, to recommend to the
Mr.
Blankenship questioned whatever happened on the ones for Barlow that they
recommended to
Mrs.
Wilson stated that she has gone through the bond list and checked the
percentages on all the neighborhoods to see if there are any
that are close to 80% yet and none of them are. Most are about 60% to 65% complete. Mr. Hume questioned if they are still
building in them? Mrs. Wilson stated
that they are.
COMMUNICATIONS:
1.
Request for
proposed text amendment from the City of
Mrs.
Wilson stated that there is some speculation that Woodford Inn would like to
expand to become a full motel. They are
restricted based on their lot size to nine or twelve rooms. They have a desire to have more rooms, but
the only way to do that would be to allow them to become a hotel or motel. Historically there was a hotel on main street
years ago. You do see them located in
downtown areas, especially in larger cities.
The owners talked to her and she suggested they go to the City Council,
who felt it was worth having a hearing to see if it is appropriate to do that.
Mrs.
Wilson stated that she is already doing some research and did not know if the
committee would want to meet before having the hearing.
Mr.
Hume questioned what zone it is allowed in now?
Mrs. Wilson stated that currently you can only have one in a B-4
District. Mr. Hume stated that
Mrs.
Wilson stated that the B-2 Distinct currently allows on-street parking, which
would not be appropriate for this type of situation. Mrs. Wilson stated that the recommendation
that she would come up with after further research would probably require one
space per unit and then some employee parking.
So they could be allowed, but with their own conditions. Mr. Hume stated that was the exact reason
that
Chairman
Ellis stated that they need to direct Mrs. Wilson to do the research and come
up with some language for the hearing.
Mr. Butler stated that he would also suggest piggybacking the Rural
Residential open space amendment with that too.
Mr.
Blankenship questioned if the committee should meet before they put it on the
agenda? Mrs. Wilson stated that they can
do that and she has already been doing research on it.
2.
Mrs. Wilson stated back in 1999 there was a
large community effort visioning how we wanted our community to look and
grow. There were very extensive
workshops and a lot of money spent by the legislative bodies in this
effort. From that the Comprehensive Plan
was amended to include a document called
The
most recent development to use the New Urban Code is the
Mr.
Dennis Anderson stated that he owns a company called Anderson Communities. They were not involved with the zone change
for
Chairman
Ellis stated that Mrs. Wilson stated that it was implied that they were not
going to use vinyl. He questioned if
they actually stated in the minutes that they were not going to use vinyl? Mrs. Wilson stated that she could not find
that in the minutes, but it was implied.
Mr.
Anderson presented a mock up of the materials that they use on the homes. They prefer doing all the walls the
same. Mr. Anderson brought other examples
of vinyl that a lot of builders use, and then presented what type he uses. The pictures that were handed out are actual
homes built with that product.
Mr.
Wolf questioned if the Planning Commission put restrictions on what they can
use? Mrs. Wilson stated that they
did. The New Urban Code, as presented by
the Task Force did not allow vinyl. In
researching the minutes the Planning Commission decided to allow vinyl with a
minimum grade of 0.42. They are
proposing 0.45. The color on the vinyl
is suppose to be the same on both sides and mounting blocks are to be used to
give the vinyl a more complete look.
They are complying with the addendum that the Planning Commission
adopted and a lot of people do not remember that. Since they did imply that they were not using
vinyl, she wanted to make sure the Planning Commission understood.
Mr.
Butler stated that for future reference, if something is implied at a hearing
and you want them to do that, you have to include it as a condition in the
motion.
Mr.
Hume questioned if there is a percentage of wall area they have to comply
with? Mrs. Wilson stated that there are
architectural standards in the code and that was going to be some Mr. Andersons
questions regarding columns and windows, etc.
They will have to follow the code on those. Mr. Hume stated that there is no limit as to
whether it has to be 50% brick or stone?
Mrs. Wilson stated that will be in their deed restrictions. Mr. Anderson stated that he does his homes
either all brick or all vinyl and does not like what is called lick and stick
brick. He felt that looks cheap.
Mr.
Parrott questioned how the vinyl that he is proposing drains? Mr. Anderson explained in detail how he does
that and how his installers came up with the idea. It took them four tries to meet his
satisfaction.
Mr.
Wolf questioned how many lots he is considering buying? Mr. Anderson stated that he has agreed to
take all of them. He stated that if he
does a development, he wants to do all of it.
Chairman
Ellis questioned the reason for not considering hardy plank? Mr. Anderson stated that he does not like to
work with it because of all the dust and it has to be painted every eight
years. It is also more expensive. He went to a show and saw this new product
and likes working with it.
Mr.
Butler stated that if the Planning Commission wanted to revisit not allowing
vinyl they would actually have to go back and rezone their property. The condition was to meet the new urban code.
Mr.
Blankenship questioned if he developed the properties behind Meadowthorpe? Mr. Anderson stated that he did and those are
vinyl and at 20 you cannot tell that it is not wood or hardy board. Mr. Anderson stated that his company prides
themselves in building communities, not houses.
He does not want to do cheap and fast.
Chairman
Ellis stated that their directive would be follow the New Urban Code and use
what you are suppose to.
Mr.
McClees questioned if he plans on doing all vinyl or some brick? Mr. Anderson stated that they will offer
brick if someone wants it. But on each
house, it would be all brick or all vinyl, not a mixture. Mr. Anderson stated that he does not like the
front of a house brick and the back vinyl.
Mr. Anderson stated in his neighborhoods you will see brick homes, stone
homes, and vinyl homes. It will depend
on what someone wants. What you will not
see is a mixture of materials on one house.
This market is an unmet market and they feel it is needed. There will be Home Owners Association and
they will hire someone to do all the lawn care and landscaping, snow removal,
etc. It is like a detached condominium
community.
Mrs.
Wilson stated that the EDA are working to get a contract on the Midway Station
Property. Mrs. Wilson stated she has
been asked if a special meeting is held in Midway, what dates would suite the
Planning Commission. The dates are
February 7th or February 21st or March 6th or
March 20th.
Mr.
Boggs stated that none of the Planning Commission are
doing this for money and he did not think they should have a special meeting in
Midway, unless their expenses are paid.
Chairman Ellis stated that he tried to get Midway to pay for the rental,
but we got them to pay half. They also
pay part of the budget.
The
Planning Commission decided that they would be available for the February 21st
or the March 20th dates.
Mrs.
Wilson stated that this time last year the meeting time was changed from
Mr.
Butler stated that the other thing they could do is if they know the meeting is
going to be long they could schedule it for
A motion was made by Mr. Hume, as
seconded by Mr. McClees, to adjourn the meeting at
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Carl
Ellis, Chairman
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