ON
BOAR#04-003-2008-Spectrum Properties, Inc.- 163-167
Simmons Street - OHR-2 Zoning District - Applicant is seeking a Certificate of
Appropriateness in order to construct a duplex.
BOAR#04-004-2008-A Mile and a Quarter, LLC, 107 West
Main Street, Midway - OHB-2 Zoning District - Applicant is seeking a
Certificate of Appropriateness in order to : (a)
Construct a brick skirt around building base; (b) construct front porch and
entry; (c) use 30 year dimensional shingles on front porch roof (instead of
copper) because of lack of visibility from street level; (d) do not want to
construct previously approved cupola.
The meeting
opened at
MEMBERS PRESENT: Larry Leach, Erin Shoot, Jean Lawson,
Deborah Shockley
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Kevin Locke
CONSULTANTS PRESENT:
MINUTES: Previous
meeting minutes not reviewed.
NEW BUSINESS:
PUBLIC MEETING: BOAR#04-003-2008-Spectrum Properties,
Inc.- 163-167 Simmons Street - OHR-2 Zoning District - Applicant is seeking a
Certificate of Appropriateness in order to construct a duplex.
Deborah Shockley called the meeting to
order. Since applicant was not present
members reviewed the second case (as follows).
PUBLIC MEETING: BOAR#04-004-2008-A Mile and a Quarter,
LLC, 107 West Main Street, Midway - OHB-2 Zoning District - Applicant is
seeking a Certificate of Appropriateness in order to : (a) Construct a brick
skirt around building base; (b) construct front porch and entry; (c) use 30
year dimensional shingles on front porch roof (instead of copper) because of
lack of visibility from street level; (d) do not want to construct previously
approved cupola.
The
applicant gave overview of the case. The
applicant indicated he has four requests.
They are as follows:
1-Change
skirt to brick- initially it was decided to use faux stone however
the decision has changed to using brick.
2-Construct
front porch and entry as shown on front and side elevations (submitted at
hearing). Initially, applicant stated he
was going to put on a slab but moved to a crawl space which he talked about with
Paul Noel previously. The elevation of
front changed where applicant noted he wanted to take the steps entering the
porch from both sides because he wanted to strike a balance. The initial front elevation didn’t allow for
the railing on front to match the one on the rear. That is the reason for the change on the
skirt to brick and move steps to side.
3-Change of copper roof of front porch to 30 year dimensional in order
to match the rest of the roof.
4-Opted not to construct the cupola.
Paul Noel addressed the cupola
issue. He stated the structure has
gotten so tall, almost as tall as the city hall however it has a 5 foot grade
difference. He noted the lack of cupola
would not be an issue. Jean Lawson stated
it would be good not to have it.
Erin Shoot stated she liked the idea of
changing the roof to copper as it gives more consistency. She stated she would be worried mixing the
different materials together and its appearance. Paul Noel noted the sidewalk is 5 feet above
the street. Applicant stated that was
not initially factored in until it was actually there.
Deborah Shockley indicated that doing
the approach from both sides is similar to a couple of houses on that block that
do go up to the porch with railings from the side. She also noted the brick is a better choice
then the faux stone. The brick would be
a nicer tie in to city hall.
Larry Leach indicated he had driven by
the location last week and he thought it looks good. He noted he does not have
an issue with any of changes being requested; however he did ask about the
landscaping. Larry wanted to know if Dave Leonard has been involved and was the
system installed to help keep the tree healthy? Applicant replied that issue would come in to
play when he gets in to the retention wall and the landscaping plan. He noted he has not done the landscape plan
because he wanted to finish the building first since he won’t know what to do
landscaping wise until the building is actually done. As far as saving the tree, Mr. Leonard made
some suggestions that they have complied with and until they do something with
the retention wall further changes will not need to be made. The applicant supplied
a letter from Mr. Leonard which had some suggestions as to some types of trees
to be used. Applicant confirmed he has
been communicating with the landscaper.
Erin Shoot asked a question on the front
elevation. On the old drawing there is
an arched top on the side elevation it is curved.
A single brick was presented at hearing
to show what brick is to be used.
Applicant noted that the brick would be painted. Jean Lawson stated that she was not aware the
brick would be painted. Deborah Shockley
noted it was a textured brick that is going to be painted. Jean wanted to know why it was going to be
painted. Applicant noted that a hardy
board on the building is going to be put on which is Keenland
green and he didn’t believe the raw brick against it would look
attractive. Jean noted color is usually
not covered at meetings. She further noted
that the review board addresses whether or not bricks should be painted. Deborah Shockley noted that the board does if
the bricks are existing and if it has not been painted
before the board would not recommend painting.
Jean Lawson stated it seems like it might be difficult to keep clean.
Paul Noel asked what color the bricks would be painted. Jean Lawson noted that when they were going
to use the faux stone they would not need to be painted because they thought
the stone would have been more complimentary.
Larry Leach indicated the board is not allowed to talk about color. Jean Lawson stated that the board needs to
address painting of the brick not the color.
Deborah Shockley states there was a white house, two up from city hall
that has brick painted. Paul Noel noted
there is another house where the bricks were painted.
Jean Lawson stated her concern is that the
board does not want something that pretends to look old and the board likes new
materials to be shown. Jean Lawson
stated the board would prefer you don’t paint the brick but that the board
doesn’t care what color the brick is.
Deborah Shockley stated there is a precedent on the street to have
painted brick. She asked the applicant
if it could be one of those things where you may change your mind once the
bricks are up or are you set on painting the bricks? The applicant stated he is not set on
anything and is set on following the guidelines. He stated that if the board prefers the
bricks are put up and then color is to be considered he believes we are getting
in to a subjective issue at that point.
Deborah Shockley stated that if it was
an existing building and had never been painted the board would likely not agree
to that. As far as it being new, Deborah
stated she does not have a problem with it being painted. The applicant stated it is not his intent to
make the building appear to be old. The intention is to make the building aesthetically
appealing. Erin Shoot stated the trend
in preservation is to rebuild with natural materials but since this is not the
case she would prefer to see the natural materials but it does turn in to a
subjective issue. Her concern is that
the paint may look worse, depending on the color. She further stated anytime you use a natural
material against color it is going to have a tendency to be more aesthetically
pleasing than applied color. The
applicant stated the shutters and windows are wood and they would use brick red
with a crème window. His concern is the difference between the brick red on the
shutters and the actual brick. Paul Noel
asked if the brick red was going to come out like a dark burgundy. The applicant said it will be similar to the
old city hall. Deborah Shockley asked if
the applicant was playing off the old city hall. The applicant noted they picked those colors and
it just happened to be like the old city hall.
Erin
Shoot, Jean Lawson and Deborah Shockley recommended to evaluate the bricks and
the
color
after it is up. The applicant
agreed. Paul stated you can’t judge a
brick wall by just one brick and
that on
the big jobs that are brick, a sample will be built first to see how it
looks. Noel confirmed that as
he
understands it , the choice is the applicants once the bricks up. There would be no need to have a
hearing
on this issue.
Larry Leach
complimented Midway and its building.
Paul Noel
asked if all issues were covered. Jean Lawson
stated yes but we would need to add the porch
fascia.
Jean Lawson
motioned to approve all requests with the opening that the bricks may be
unpainted after
they
are put up. She noted request #2, to
construct front porch and entry, covers the porch fascia they
discussed
earlier.
Larry
seconded the motion. Motion carried 4-0
in favor.
The
members reviewed BOAR#
explained
this was for a second duplex and the first was previously approved. Since this is a previously
approved
application, Deborah wanted to know if anybody had a problem with approving
without the
applicant’s presence? Deborah stated this
has been done in the past, years back.
Larry Leach stated
he has already constructed the first
duplex. Paul Noel stated the chimneys
are gone as per request. Paul obtained
the construction file for review. Erin Shoot
wanted to know if the plans were old elevations. Paul stated they were the same
as the previous and that the house does not face Simmons. Erin Shoot asked if the duplex and the garage
were separate?? Deborah confirmed that it was. Jean Lawson wanted to know if the arts and
crafts windows were used?? Deborah noted that since there are too many
questions we should just re-hear the case for next meeting. Deborah confirmed that those windows are not
on these duplexes.
Paul Noel came in with construction file
and noted that the previous building was approved in Sept. and noted that were
4 conditions. The first is that the chimney
needs to be of faux stone or antique appearing brick. Larry asked what was the decision and Paul stated
the choice was to eliminate the chimney which was the second condition. The third condition is the porch steps to be
stained with stained railings and the fourth is that the column needs to be
same material as the chimney. Nothing
was commented on below the porch.
Larry stated
applicant needs to be here and that we are setting a bad precedence hearing the
case
without
the applicant present. Deborah agreed to
table this case next month.
It was
noted that John and Jane Pryor have withdrawn their case.
Erin Shoot motioned to adjourn which was
seconded by Larry Leach. The hearing was
adjourned at
X_____________________________________ Deborah
Shockley, Chairman